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to dub her that, brandishing that. i was on this panel with andrew weissmann, the great legal thinker and former prosecutor. that was us walking backstage. we wanted to share that with you. we discussed not only news and the trump cases but also his view of opera and how he got involved in television and how he accidentally wore glasses that looked like sunglasses in his early interviews. i have an image of that here. there's our great crowd. these turned so dark, people were asking him was he wearing sunglasses and he had to learn to update his game. so again, if you're interested, we're airing that tomorrow night, two hours, 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. and an update to those of you who follow this closely, i mentioned earlier we were hoping to have ll cool j on tonight. as you saw, the news intervened. we will still have ll cool j, the one and only, the great, the g.o.a.t., next week on "the beat." we'll bring you that next week.
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have a great weekend. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? and when we fight -- >> we win. >> kamala harris has her eyes on the prize. the battleground prize, that is. building off that debate momentum. the vice president is igniting voters in pennsylvania, where she and her opponent are locked in a dead heat. also tonight, the clear and present danger of trump's big lies. and how americans pay the price. this time, it's haitian immigrants panicked by a new wave of hate. plus, the latest on the right-wing freakout over taylor
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swift. >> but we begin tonight with the disgusting lies that donald trump continues to elevate about the haitian immigrant community in springfield, ohio. people who are just trying to mind their own business, go to work and school every day, and live their american dream. yet this man, who has hordes of followers willing to enact violence on his behalf as seen on january 6th, has managed to level down, beyond being a dusty old racist grandpa red pilled by facebook, and way beyond mere insanity and derangement and cognitive decline, and he's leaned fully into intentional demonization and dehumanization of immigrants. in this case, immigrants with green cards, like the ones two of his three wives had. as his last desperate bid to claw his way back into the white house so he can stay out of prison. and while his comments have
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become everything from a tiktok meme to a punch line on late night tv, just imagine if you were on the receiving end of this garbage. it wouldn't be funny to you or your kids. in fact, it could be life-threatening. the city of springfield has received two bomb threats since donald trump spread this lie on tuesday, resulting in the evacuation of two elementary schools. donald trump and jd vance and their horde of politician and street maga supporters bear full responsibility. the mayor of springfield told reporters the individuals calling in the threats cited their frustration with immigration and the haitian community in springfield. the mayor also said they needed help, not hate. think about that for a second. donald trump and james david vance, who spends most of his time hectoring childless women who have cats, have now put innocent children's lives at risk by lying about haitian immigrants and turning them into boogiemen who will eat your
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pets. and to be clear, they are continuing to promote this lie, even though they know it's a lie. now, if you want to understand the anatomy of a racist lie, let's start where way too much of the garbage inside trump's brain comes from. neonazis. according to nbc, nbc news, blood tribe, a national neonazi group, was among the early purveyors of the bet eating smear in august, posting about it on gab and telegram, two social networks popular with extremists. the lie then crossed over into mainstream circles when without evident people on a springfield facebook group promoted the baseless claim that haitian immigrants were stealing neighbors pets and eating them. newsguard confirmed they tracked down the initial claims and surprise, they could not say they had any first-hand evidence to support them. it was all heresy. it was donald trump's running
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mate, james david vance, who then mainlined this lie. he first complained about the influx of haitian legal immigrants who he lied about claiming during a hearing with jerome powell, the chairman of the federal reserve, in july, they were not in the country legally and accusing them of draining resources. clearly not satisfied with the damage he did there, vance doubled down. claiming that reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten. when reporters asked the senator for any evidence at all of his claims, his ohio staff failed to provide any. that didn't stop conservative trolls like charlie kirk, elon musk, and others to spread it even further, who spread it even further. and as often happens, stories like these are often fed by a kernel of a real thing that gets twisted to fit the lie. in a case that some were confusing with springfield, police in canton, ohio, 175 miles away, in another part of the state, recently charged a
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woman with cruelty to companion animals for allegedly killing a cat in a neighborhood in front of multiple people, according to usa today, that's according to usa today. and guess what? also according to usa today, that woman was not haitian. she was an american from ohio. here's another thing they're lying about. haitian immigrants supposedly stealing geese. that lie stems from an image that has been shared of a man carrying a canada goose, which like the woman in canton, morphed into a claim that haitian immigrants were eating wild geese in springfield. a reverse image search leads to a month-old reddit post claiming the image was taken in columbus, ohio, 45 miles east of springfield. the photographer behind the now viral goose photo spoke with a local nbc affiliate and said his original intention was to document a weird thing he saw in columbus, not springfield, and he was taken by surprise that the image was repurposed to spread this lie.
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he also added that the individual was not, i repeat, not haitian. here's another big lie that trump and vance are so, so good at spreading. that haitians are the unwelcomed root of all of springfield's problems and as a result should be punished for it by deporting them to venezuela? >> in springfield, ohio, 20,000 illegal haitian migrants have descended upon a town of 58,000 people destroying their way of life. we will do large deportations from springfield, ohio. large deportations, we're going to get these people out. we're bringing them back to venezuela. >> what nazi grandpa won't tell you is springfield welcomed immigrants to their hometown. because they were suffering such a massive population decline, as businesses left the area. just take a look at this 2014
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headline that reads, in black and white, for the junior senator from ohio to read, quote, springfield seeks to be immigrant friendly city. unquote. the ohio dispatch reported that springfield actively took steps to attract new businesses, their efforts worked. in 2022 alone, three companies announced plans to invest more than $100 million in springfield on expansions. this happened to come at the same time that many haitians sought refuge in the united states due to gang violence in haiti that is fueled by the constant destabilization of that country by france and us. the haitian immigrants hired have been background checked and issued social security numbers and work permits. they pay taxes but are not permitted to vote. the republican governor of the state, mike dewine, went on fox news, well, we'll say fox, to extoll the values of these workers. >> they came for jobs.
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when you talk to the employers who are employing them, they'll tell you they're very hard workers. they're very family oriented. one employer was quoted as saying i wish i could hire 100 others ones to fill the jobs we have. that's why they came. >> and this isn't even the first time haitians have been the victims of racist fearmongering by donald john trump, son and grandson, and two-time spouse of immigrants. he called their home an s-hole country and said allowing them to seek refuge here was dangerous because they all, quote, have aids. i'm joined by nbc news washington correspondent yamiche alcindor and the cofounder and executive director of haitian bridge alliance. yamiche, i'm going to go to you. i want to play some of what jd vance told you as you tried to question him about the lie he was spreading about haitian immigrants. here it is.
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>> senator vance, what do you say to haitian americans and haitian immigrants who say spreading false claims about them put their lives at risk? >> well, i don't think that -- no one has spread false claims. what they have said is that a small migrant community, 20,000, so it's big for the city of springfield, but small compared to all haitians in the united states of america, that small migrant community has caused a lot of problems. >> what problems? >> it's a good question, joy. good evening. what i have heard from residents and from haitian immigrants there is that these haitian immigrants came, as you said, at the invitation of springfield because their population was actually decreasing and there were stores and businesses closing and the city wanted to attract new people. so they really made it an appeal to haitian immigrants and told them they're going to be new jobs here, also an affordable
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place to live. what i have heard from haitian immigrants is that this was a city that has been very welcoming to them. life has been very good for them. they have been very much sort of welcomed as a part of that community. their library that hired haitian interpreters and other businesses to make sure they could really accommodate people. now, i have heard from some residents who believe the lies of former president trump and thinks they're credible and they say there are social services issues, that the hospitals are overwhelmed, and city officials have said that they do want more resources to go to springfield so they can accommodate this population that's about 15,000 haitians have come in the last few years according to state officials, but from my reporting on the ground, i can tell you that there's no credible evidence of haitians abusing animals or doing anything that jd vance and former president trump are saying and the vast majority of residents i talked to welcomed them. one woman told me i used to go to the grocery store and they
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started closing. when the haitians showed up, we got more grocery stores. i should also say, this has real consequences. i interviewed one man who told me about the fact that he is scared because he came here just a few month ago, 28 years old. he said all i do is go to church and school. all i do is go to church and work. he told me his coworkers are asking him repeatedly if he eats cat. that was depressing for him because he fled insecurity in haiti and now he feels insecure because he's scared people are going to target him, so he's dealing with lot of mental health issues. he said i didn't want to leave my country but i had to come here. >> that's the thing, and welcome to the show, thet is the issue a lot of immigrants face, this sort of demonization that often is around food. we have seen this done to chinese immigrants, to
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vietnamese immigrants and this idea of trying to otherize people and accuse you of doing things as far as food is not uncommon. i want to play one more clip. this is jd vance again talking to yamiche. he's claiming haitians are spreading communicable diseases. this is another thing haitian immigrants have faced, this particular slime, but here's jd vance spreading it. >> that small migrant community has caused a lot of problems. it's led to higher rates of communicable diseases. it's led to animals disappearing, many of my constituents have had that has been happening. it's led to higher home prices. that's a verifiable fact. >> i want to do a quick fact check of james david. this is the fact check that you all should tell a friend about. spreading communicable diseases, false. clark county health officials have said the county is at its lowest rate of disease, of
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communicable disease since 2016. eating animals, lie. multiple springfield officials have received zero reports related to pets being stolen and eaten. higher home prices is a more nuanced question. the housing problems predate the arrival of haitian migrants. local rents did increase from may 2022 through '23 but have now stabilized. underinvestment and lack of code enforcement are the cause, and population decline, which has left homes vacant and in disrepair is the problem, not haitian migrants. your thoughts? >> thank you so much, joy, for having me, and thank you to my dear sister, yamiche. this is not lost on us. we have been there before. and the idea of people coming from haiti, bringing disease, we have dealt with that before. that almost broke our community back in the 1980s, 1990s. but we resisted and we are here.
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the reality is that we cannot allow this hateful narrative to be part of what we are doing moving forward. it is imperative that mr. vance, mr. trump, and all of those people who are continuing this false narrative and creating hate and dividing the communities, where they should -- these are lies and they must stop doing that. >> i want to add here that this is not new for jd vance or for donald trump. on vance's part, he said that he doesn't -- let me play what he said about whether he is even concerned that he is harming people in the haitian community. here he is. >> what do i think is a bigger problem? insulting 20,000 people or the fact that my constituents can't live a good life because kamala harris opened the border?
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i think it's kamala harris needs to do her job. >> and then i will add that donald trump has a very long history of demonizing haitians. and this was deny -- including denying tps status to haitians on improper grounts back when he was president in 2019, and there's also a history of him saying haitians should not be allowed here because they all, quote/unquote, have aids. it was haiti along with nigeria he was referring to when he made the s-hole comments. it's a long history of particularly demonizing haitians. what do you make of the fact this person, donald trump, is saying these things about this community, even after he's told they are lies and after bomb threats are going into schools? and jd vance as well. >> i think the reality is all of that is deeply rooted in anti-black racism. let's put it exactly where it is. it is coming into the idea that
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black people in these united states of ours are bringing disease, the same story that has been happening for the past 400 years is the same story that they are holding on to, and the reality is that they attack haitians because they know for a fact that haiti continues even in the state of despair and political instability, we continue to be a beacon of hope and liberation and freedom. that's what we represent. to be able to bring the anti-black racism, white supremacist ideology and speech that they continue to create, not only hate on the haitian community, but on all black people in the united states. we have to understand and center the fight that this is rooted in anti-black racism, white supremacists, and that's what we're doing now. >> indeed, i will note president biden today said about haitian americans he wants to take a moment to say something like so
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many americans, he bigged up karine jean-pierre, who is haitian american, and he talked about her as a proud haitian american and noted the haitian community is under attack in america right now and expressed his support, doing the opposite of what donald trump is doing. there are 735,000 haitian american residents in this country who can vote, so look sharp, republicans. you might be hurting yourselves in places like florida. thank you very much. coming up, trump continues to cozy up to laura loomer, a far right nutsy conspiracy theorist so extreme and so toxic that even maga republicans are begging him to ditch her. stay with us. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it's amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better.
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the brain of donald john trump, look at the people he is surrounding himself with. people like laura loomer, now, you would be forgiven if you have no idea who that is, she's mostly known for hawking right wing conspiracies and bigotry on the internet. she's described herself as pro-white nationalism and a proud islamophobe, has called islam a cancer on humanity, in 2018, she handcuffed herself to twitter's office building after being banned from the social media site. wearing a yellow star of david and comparing her twitter ban to the holocaust. after the passing of congresswoman sheila jackson lee in july, loomer called her a, quote, ghetto b word, and suggested she was going to hell. and just the other day, she posted that if kamala harris wins the election, the white house will smell like curry and speeches will be facilitated by a call center. racist much? it was a statement so beyond the pale that even marjorie taylor
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greene called it racist. and that's not even half of it. yet somehow, she's squirmed her way into trump's inner circle. this week she was on the plane with trump as he made his way to philadelphia for theidate, and the next day, she traveled with him as he commemorated the anniversary of 9/11, despite the fact she has repeatedly pushed a conspiracy theory about the attacks being an inside job. yet, here is what trump said about loomer when asked about her proximity to the campaign today. >> laura has been a supporter of mine, just like a lot of people are supporters. and she's been a supporter of mine. she speaks very positively of the campaign. i'm not sure why you ask that question, but laura is a supporter. i don't control laura. laura has to say what she wants. >> your allies have expressed concern. >> look, i can't tell laura what to do. she's a supporter. i have a lot of supporters. >> joining me now is molly jong
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fast, and msnbc contributor, and charles blow, "new york times" columnist. ladies first, molly. there's now a cat fight between laura loomer and marjorie taylor greene, fighting over donald trump. and they're the ones appearing around with him. where is melania? it seems like this is his new side kick. what is going on? he's also apparently taking nazi type advice from her. >> look, this is the thing about donald trump. people always say, like, we can't control his instincts. he always gets with a bad crowd. it's him. he's uncontrollable. he just finds people like this, and they influence him. and if he gets back in the white house, who knows what he'll do because we all know from his, you know, earlier presidency that what happened was people would make suggestions to him, and the last person in the room would usually be the person who
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made the -- who would sort of give him the idea that he would run with. so in so many ways besides the fact that loomer is, you know, morally very reprehensible and -- i was looking back, she was banned from uber and lyft in 2017 for her anti-muslim racism. i mean, she's just, this is who she is, but this is also who donald trump is. and i think the fact donald trump is so impressionable and so sort of can be controlled by the last person he talks to, is almost as disturbing as the fact that she has become his newest friend. >> righhat's equally disturbing, charles, is the last person he talks to if you're in the white house is probably jd vance, who basically fishes around in the white nationalist internet himself. and i'm old enough to remember when one barack obama caught weeks worth of negative headlines because his pastor on a day he wasn't even in church
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gave a speech in which he paraphrased dr. king about we may be going to hell. that became a spectacle to the point president obama had to give a speech in philadelphia to fix the damage. what's going on? why is there not more outrage that trump is hanging around with a racist troll, literally? >> yeah, i'm so glad you brought that up. i was going to bring that up too. america has to have some sort of memory. i don't understand how that became such a big story with barack obama and then even after that, when sarah palin kept saying about him, he's palling around with terrorists, it was by association, he was guilty, and therefore, he had to continuously defend himself and distance himself from anyone who had any kind of untoward behavior or try to figure out how to explain the fact that he had any association with those people. and yet, we're giving donald
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trump a completely different yardstick to be judged by. he pals around with all sorts of horrible, horrible people from neonazis and white supremacists to this woman, and we talk about it as if barack obama was not almost pushed out of the race by this same thing. that other politicians have not almost been pushed out of races or have been pushed out of races because of associations with people who are unsavory, and therefore, we're not talking about him as if this is just a thing donald trump does, and his base has absorbed it as the sort of thing, this is just what donald trump does. and too many people who are even opposed to donald trump have absorbed it as this is just the kind of thing that he does and gets away with. he doesn't have to get away with it, because you have an option. you have the ability to vote. and we in the media don't have to let him get away with it because we have the ability to say there is a history, and
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words do have definitions and have meanings. when some meets the definition of that word, if they're a racist, they just are. we call it every time, even when people get tired of it. >> racially charged, i think we can put that in the dust bin of history. this ain't racially charged. this is straight up gut bucket dog whistling, not whistling, screaming racism, period, the end. luckily, molly, it isn't working. what we have seen is that vice president harris is nursing a lead, and actually growing her lead. she got a bounce out of the debate. but i mean, imagine with me what it would look like if she was friends with laura loomer. right? what the press reaction would look like if it wasn't trump hanging out with this nutball, if it was her. >> no, i mean, the double standards are, you know, i mean, when you were talking about obama, it's totally true. remember, the tan suit, the almond, the scandals that were not scandals, that the
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mainstream media made into huge scandals. he had zero scandals and they created stuff. no, it's totally true. she's being held to a completely different standard than he is. and look, i think some of it is that trump has been like this for nine years. so he has, you know, gotten people to go along with it, but can i just say, republicans could stop this. i mean, they won't, but they could theoretically. even like with laura loomer, lindsey graham called her really toxic. which for this crew is amazing. but it's still nothing, but with all these republicans came out tomorrow and were like, they won't, but they could have stopped this at any time, and they chose not to because they want power. and because this wasn't disqualifying. >> and the thing about it is, charles, it's probably hurting their cause in ohio where sherrod brown is running for re-election because they're making a really ugly assumption
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about white voters, that they like this. this is to get white voters excited. what an insulting assumption to make about them. >> absolutely. you know, but every time that someone goes along with this, does not say anything, turns a blind eye, it makes me look at you, the person, turning the blind eye and i say what is wrong with you? and if you don't want me to think that you absorb and go along with this racism, how can i not? if you say nothing, how can i not if you see it happening before your eyes and you say, i will still vote for that person who thinks that the white house is going to smell like indian food. you okay with that? how many judges balances that out. how many judges balances that
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out? how much border security balances that out? it doesn't balance that out. you are part of the bigotry yourself when you go into that ballot box and cast that ballot. i can't separate you. >> look, that is a valid point, and the thing the media will get the maddest about is if you at all say donald trump supporters might be open to the racism, but like you said, if this is cool with you and laura loomer is fine with you and you think that's fine and demonizing haitian americans is fine, i'm not sure the media should defend you because you're going along with nasty, ugly racism. molly and charles, thank you. we'll be right back. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. ♪♪ with fastsigns, signage that gets you noticed turns hot lots into homes. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement.
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during tuesday's debate, donald trump doubled down on taking credit for overturning roe v. wade. >> this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years. every legal scholar, every democrat, every republican, liberal. conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. and that's what happened. >> i have talked with women around our country, you want to talk about this is what people wanted? pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because their health care providers are afraid they might
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go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot. she didn't want that, her husband didn't want that. >> the vice president was correct and clearly laying out the very real and devastating consequences of the trump abortion bans. but one of his former staffers, john mcintee, who is also an adviser to project 2025, had a particularly disgusting take on her answer. >> can someone track down the women kamala harris says are bleeding out in parking lots? because roe v. wade was overturned? don't hold your breath. >> mcintee has received more than 16,000 replies to that video. mostly from women describing their own stories. just last year on this program, amanda shared her story, directly with vice president harris. >> i couldn't leave the state, and if i had, i probably would have died. so i had to just wait until i did become near death. it took three days, and the
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trauma of that waiting and being in terror and fear for those three days, not knowing what's going to happen while having just received this devastating news, i mean, it's cruel. it is inhumane. >> i'm joined now by amanda's husband, josh. josh, thank you so much for being here. you know, as our viewers know, your wife was the lead plaintiff in zulauvsky versus texas which was a lawsuit that started with five women sxn ended with 20 that was trying to seek clarity on texas's abortion ban. the texas court threw out the case, but i wonder what you make of donald trump bragging about overturning roe v. wade, which is what caused the problems you and your wife had to face, and also saying he will be great for women's reproductive rights if he were president again? >> thanks for having me. first of all, absolutely disgusting to hear donald trump say that he would be great for women, for someone on the right
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like this john person that you just showed, who is asking for these stories. i can tell you first-hand, there are so many of them. amanda and myself, we went through a really harrowing story, and their stories are out there and we're here to speak up and fight back. >> donald trump claimed that everybody wanted abortion returned to the states. that everybody wanted roe v. wade overturned. how about you, sir? did you want roe v. wade overturned and abortion returned to your state, to the state of texas? >> absolutely not. and you know, again, we're first-hand experiences of what happens when the concept of abortion is returned to the states. and it's, again, absolutely devastating to see what actually happens. you know, i sat with amanda for three days while she recovered in a hospital. and we just had this sense of
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relief, you know, at least xi was alive, but at the same time, we knew we had been wronged by politicians like donald trump and by those in the states that are passing these absolutely awful abortion bans. >> you know, and you spoke at the democratic national convention and talked about abortion not just being a woman's issue, it's a man's issue. you're a husband of a woman who could have died because she didn't get aborg care. you have moved your embryos out of the state because you can't trust what happens in the state. can you talk about how men should be thinking about these abortion bans and the risks of project 2025 and donald trump returning to the white house? >> absolutely. family planning is very complicated. everybody's journey is different, and that's why every family should have the right to make their own decisions on how and if and when they want to start a family. amanda and i have checked all the boxes. we have gone through complicated
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fertility journeys. we have gone through being denied an abortion and almost dying. we're going through ivf right now, we're working with a surrogate, so we have been up and down the spectrum of fertility journey, and i can tell you the last thing that we need in our fertility journey are politicians. we need doctors, and we need to be able to be with our families making these decisions, and it's that simple. >> would you recommend the way that texas deals with abortion to become national so that all of america is like texas? >> of course not. texas has become the epicenter of what happens when you pass these egregious abortion bans. it impacts everybody in the state. it impacts people who are trying to start a family. doctors are leaving the state. they're no longer wanting to practice medicine here, so what we're seeing is texas is
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becoming a real health care desert, and if the rest of this country is subjected to that same experience, there will be a real catastrophe for families all across this country. >> josh, we wish you and amanda well. and your family. we thank you always for being so open with your story. you're helping so many people. thank you very much. and god bless. coming up, taylor swift's endorsement of kamala harris keeps racking up the likes. one of them by none other than wnba star caitlin clark. why conservatives want even her to shut up and dribble. stay with us.
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i was not a taylor swift fan. it was just a question of time. she'll probably pay a price for it in the marketplace. >> what makes you think that the way you think should influence other people? you sing for a living. just deal with that. >> f you, taylor swift. >> well, that's pretty much what you would expect from donald trump and the maga world following taylor swift's endorsement of vice president kamala harris after the debate this week. all because she had the audacity to share her thoughts with her fans about the upcoming election and reminding them to register to vote. despite the maga outrage, the swifties assembled with reports of an increase in voter registration, get this, by 400 to 500% since her endorsement.
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now, maga world has set its focus on its latest target following swiftgate. wnba star caitlin clark. why, you may ask? because she dared to simply like swift's instagram post. that's all it takes to set these people off. it seems the maga nut does not fall far from the trump tree. joining me is carrie champion, host of the naked podcast series which has launched its fourth season titled naked sports, starting with the making of a rivalry, caitlin clark versus angel reese, and charlamagne tha god, founder of the black effects podcast network which is producing that very podcast. >> superman needed lex luther. batman needed the joker. i don't mean to put angel reese in some villainous role because i don't consider her a villain, but every great player needs a foil. >> the reason we watch women's basketball is not because of one person. >> i don't think there should be
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criticism for what she did. i didn't see it when the game was going on. >> but the story became more compelling and the desire to watch and talk about it became more compelling when she had a foil. >> all right, let's go right to our guest. i want to start with you first. congratulations to both of you on the podcast. did you see it coming, did you have it on your bingo card that caitlin clark would suddenly become the newest foil of maga world for liking a, you know, a taylor swift post? >> no, i actually had no clue. in fact, i think that's what a lot of the podcast is about. who is caitlin clark, who is angel reese? we don't know much about her. what i am realizing is both of these young ladies because they're supernovas in the insight into who she was and i like how she answers the question. listen, i think people should just register to vote. i like what she had to say.
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it was very thoughtful. register to vote. that did not please those who thought she was endorsing kamala harris. >> charlemagne, there is this thing that happens and i think it happens on the left but definitely on the right. people are putting on to these celebrities what they want them to be because of their demographic. there was a time when the right just assumed that taylor swift, because she was a country artist was a right wenger. and were shocked when that was untrue. they put that same on caitlin clark. because they don't like angel reese they put on caitlin clark that she must be there is. any sort of inkling that she is not is why they are panicking. what you make of that? >> you have to blame white women for that. in 2020, they went against their own interests in 2016 and voted for donald trump against hillary clinton. if to put the blame on those white women voters but it's funny because in taylor swift and lynn clark would have endorsed donald trump, maggot would be jumping for joy.
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they created fake ai images of taylor swift and endorsing donald trump which is what led her to step out there and say, no, let me clear the record really quick, especially after the vice president, for lack of a better term, wiped her -- with donald trump on the debate stage. >> it's very true, i mean the reality is, the cultural impact of women's basketball just ratcheted up in the last year or so, suddenly people are being attended to the wnba and culturally, angel reese is more of the culture as far as black culture is concerned. it is interesting, it does set her up in a way. is she political? has she made any of these noises about who she supports? >> they were asking her if she watched the debates. do you know what is going on? she said, i am not exactly
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political but i'm sure she is very aware. you know this is a black woman. she is going to get a different type of heat no matter what she says. if she endorses, harris, she couldn't please those who said, i knew it, i knew she was antiwhite. she cannot live in a world in what she says want to be spliced in diced. it's unfortunate that we have these two women who want to play ball and for lack of a better term, people are co- opting their views and their stories and who they are and calling themselves fans and putting their own agendas on these young ladies, and they just want to play ball. it's unfortunate we find ourselves at this intersection, but it's obviously happening everywhere. >> charlemagne, white was important to endorse this story? >> the black effect podcast network, was liberated four years of being in business. we have about 30 black lead podcast, nearly 1 billion downloads. carry champion is one of our premier podcasts. when she came to us, she wanted to tell about katelyn and angel
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reese. it was a no-brainer because it's one of the biggest stories and pop-culture. some people may just be finding out about this story because of the exceptional rookie years katelyn and angel have picked for kerry to be able to tell their origin story, it's a beautiful thing for people who are misinformed. you hear these guys and they need to shut the -- up about katelyn and people that are following this story for years. guys don't know what they are talking about. for a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about, they can listen to carries podcast and get informed. >> go ahead, carrie. let's show the infamous ring. that is what people know and they don't seem to know much more. >> if they are listening and downloading this podcast, in real time, no one was upset on the court. angel wasn't mad. katelyn wasn't mad.
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they went back to the locker room and celebrated. had to find out it was outrage on social media. everyone put their own mansplaining if you will and other than new fans of that wnba put their own filter on this story and these two ladies don't have a problem. you will find out more about that in the podcast. >> we will be back and they will be back. the msnbc fan participated in our first fan fest. we were lucky enough to meet so many of you, and you can catch the special two hour presentation of the fan event right here on msnbc this saturday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. you don't want to miss it. we will be right back. back. ♪ citi's industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries... and help a partner like the world food programme
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charlemagne the god, who won the week? >> madam vice president, kamala harris. all eyes on her and she pitched the shut out flawless victory it was good to watch the bully get bullied. it was good to see her being her complete and total self. that top of the ticket energy hits different and, salute to her. >> there you go. mine is simple, childless cat ladies. their queen is taylor swift. thank you very much, that is tonight's readout, all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. >> laura is a supporter. she is a strong person. she has strong opinions. i can't tell or what to do.

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